7/28/08

SogoTrade Review

SogoTrade Regular Individual Account Review

Here's the Good


1. Cheap trades. As of writing, it's $3 a trade with the standard plan, and $1.50 a trade with the premium plan, which costs $10 a month. If you make seven or more trades a month, you're better off going with the premium plan. Depending on how many trades you make per month, this is comparable to Sharebuilder's and Zecco's pricing.

2. Automatic scheduled investments allow you to buy fractional shares. SogoTrade lets you schedule when you want your plan to start and how often you want to invest a certain amount. (Note that there is a $100 minimum per scheduled investment, but not per stock. For example, you can invest a total of $100 split among a number of stocks--not that this would be wise, considering the commissions you would pay in such a case.) According to Sean Muir, PR person at SogoTrade, automatic investments can be scheduled for any day the market is open. For some reason, though, all my automatic trades happened on Tuesdays.

3. Free dividend reinvestment. SogoTrade lets you decide for which stocks you want your dividends reinvested.


Update 12/6/08: SogoTrade has terminated their automatic scheduled investments, factional share purchases, and automatic dividend reinvestment program. All existing plans will be canceled on 12/31/08, and all fractional share holdings will be sold (commission free) on 1/6/08.

4. Great customer service.

Live chat with customer support: It's really easy to find, with a link displayed prominently in the upper right corner of every page. I used this feature several times on several different occasions, to ask silly questions about future features, legitimate site navigation questions, and the like. Each time, I was answered right away. It took the customer service rep about 1 minute to respond every time. The answers were always helpful.

Email: I emailed support with lots of silly questions, some of which required lengthy explanations. During business hours (SogoTrade is open from 8 A.M. to 9 P.M. Eastern Time on weekdays, excluding holidays), the average response time to my email questions was under an hour. I never had to wait more than two hours. Emails sent over the weekend were responded to on Monday morning. The answers were always relevant and helpful.

Phone: Someone picked up right away each time I called. They were friendly and helpful.

I am interested to see how this goes as SogoTrade grows its customer base.

5. No maintenance/inactivity fees.

6. Easy to use site layout (for the most part--I had some difficulty finding out how many free trades I had left, as well as the stock screener).

7. The hypothetical portfolio tool lets you paper trade stocks and ETFs.

8. Streaming real-time quotes for stocks on your watch list. (As of writing, it does not appear that you can make trades in the streaming quotes window.)

The Not So Good

1. (Note that this may no longer be the case. See users' comments below.) Opening an account takes some time and can be a bit of a hassle, compared to other discount brokers. Here are the steps required, from applying for an account to being able to place a trade:

a. Apply for an account online. Answer the usual questions that all brokers ask. This took me about 10 minutes.

b. Once you submit your application, you have to wait for an email from SogoTrade, approving your account. In my case, I started in the early afternoon, and got the email in the early evening. This took about three to four hours.

c. After receiving the email, I had to print and fill out an account signature form and an account funding form. These are simple forms and took a couple of minutes to complete. The account signature form asks for a copy of a driver's license or some other official id, like a passport. I have a copier at home, so this took me another minute.

The account funding form asks for a voided check. If you want to use your savings account to make deposits into Sogotrade, you have to make a copy of or print out a monthly statement. The entire process took me less than 10 minutes, but it may take longer in your case, as you might not have a copier/printer handy.

d. If you want to make deposits into SogoTrade online (this is the fastest method), you have to get your bank accounts verified. Entering your bank account information takes a couple of minutes at most. SogoTrade then makes two small deposits into each bank account, which you have to verify by logging on to your bank's site (or whatever method you use to view your statements) and entering the information at SogoTrade's site. In my case, this happened the next day. If you start this process on a Friday, you might have to wait for Monday or Tuesday. As of writing, SogoTrade does not provide instant account verification.

e. At some point after c., above, you have to mail the forms you filled out, along with your voided check and a copy of your id. Unlike other brokers, SogoTrade does not as yet accept faxed versions of these documents. (But see comment below, where user was able to fax all documents.) You cannot make electronic deposits into your SogoTrade account or trade until these documents are received and processed.

Sogotrade's office is in New York City. I put my envelope into a mail box practically at SogoTrade's doorstep. It was a week before I was able to initiate a deposit. If you live farther away, I imagine it will take longer. There is also the issue of sending your identification, bank account, and broker information through the regular mail. Do you feel safe doing so?

f. Once your forms are received and processed, and you have verified your bank account online, you can initiate a deposit. This takes at least two business days. That is, if you initiate the deposit on Monday, you will be able to trade with that money on Wednesday at the earliest.

I was able to place a trade 11 days after I applied for an account.

It's not that much of a burden, but compare SogoTrade's account opening process with TD Ameritrade's: apply for an account online, verify your bank information, make a deposit, trade. It took me 15 minutes, and I never had to leave the computer.

2. The stock screener is hidden away, and is the bare minimum in terms of power. I had to look through the site map to find it. You're much better off using a free one, like Yahoo's or MSN's.

3. The ETF screener is just as bad as the stock screener.

4. You can't specify a limit price for automatic investments. They're made at market price.

5. No options trading. SogoTrade plans to offer option trading at some point in the future.

6. No mutual funds. SogoTrade currently does not have plans to offer mutual funds.

7. Automatic scheduled investments can only be scheduled by time, and not by amount. For example, at Sharebuilder, you can set your automatic investments to occur when you have enough money for the transaction in your account. Say you want to invest $500 in GE. When your account balance reaches that amount, Sharebuilder buys GE. SogoTrade does not have this option yet.

8. No pre-market/after market trading.

9. The research section seems to be an impoverished version of MarketWatch.com.

10. No physical locations to visit, should you want to talk to someone face to face.

11. There is a $50 fee to transfer your account to another broker.

12. $500 minimum to open account.

13. No fractional share purchases or free dividend reinvestment.

The Bad

1. Terrible yields on cash, and no money market cash sweep options. SogoTrade does not, as of writing, plan to offer cash sweeps.

2. Any free trades that you earn can be used only for real time orders. Automatic trades incur the regular commission ($3, or $1.50 if you use the premium plan).


Bottom Line

SogoTrade is a relatively new discount broker that has the potential to be one of the best in the future. It has great customer service, and offers cheap trades. The broker can appeal to buy and hold investors as well as day traders.

SogoTrade has some problems, but they are mostly in the lack of features area (options, in particular) rather than poor execution. As more features are added, the broker should improve.

If you are content with a similarly priced broker, there is not much reason to move your account to SogoTrade at this time. Nevertheless, you may want to open an account to take advantage of the current free trade offer. As of writing, SogoTrade offers 100 free trades for 30 days when you open an account with $500 or more. You can also earn 25 free trades for every person you refer to SogoTrade.

This SogoTrade review will be updated every six months, or as SogoTrade adds new features.

Updates

11/10/08

SogoTrade will soon roll out a stock streamer. Sean Muir, who does PR work for SogoTrade, alerted me to it. Here are my thoughts.




Good:


  • Sleek design.
  • Easy to navigate, intuitive interface.
  • Can input number of shares you own and at what price you purchased them, so you see your profits and losses in real time.

Where improvements can be made (the finished version will no doubt address some or all of these):

  • While it is very aesthetically pleasing, a black background with white text can strain the eyes. Personally, when looking at something like this too long, I see afterimages when looking elsewhere. This may or may not be a big deal to users.
  • It doesn't appear that one can add or subtract fields. For example, Bid/Ask sizes aren't shown, nor are the last trade sizes or last ticks. These fields do not appear to be available. Also, say I don't want to see a field, e.g., the volume field. It doesn't appear that I can remove it.
  • The symbols are arranged alphabetically. That's great. But what if I want to arrange them in my own way? It would be nice to be able to sort the stock list by each field, and by the order in which the symbols are entered.
  • While once a second updates are probably fast enough for just about everyone, this can be faster. Scottrade's streamer, for instance, updates much faster.
  • When switching from the basic to profit/loss view or vice versa, the streamer resizes to full screen. If you're working with multiple windows, this can be an inconvenience. (I'm using Firefox on Linux, so this may not be an issue with Windows and Internet Explorer. I'll try it out on Windows XP and Vista at a later time. I don't currently have access to a Mac.)
  • It would be nice to see the major market indexes updated in real time on the same page as the stocks. As it is now, you have to click on the Market icon, which opens a new page and shows the market indexes on a five minute delay. This isn't a big deal, as SPY and DIA can be added to the streamer, but it would be nice to see the market indexes right away, without having to click or open a new window.
  • To trade from the screener, you have to click on the row of the stock you want to trade, and then click the Trade icon at the top. Or, you can right click on a row and then click on Trade. It would be easier if there were a little trade icon right next to each row, so less clicks would be involved. Better still, conveniently placed buy and sell icons would make things even faster.
  • Here are the icons: Trade, Chart, Research, News, Market, Active, Share, and Settings. Clicking most of them results in a new window or tab being opened. Clicking others, (e.g., Share--where you can email yourself or a friend) opens a new page in the same tab. You have to press the browser's back button to get back to the streamer. The share feature basically sends an advertisement for SogoTrade to the emails you specify, along with the message you compose. It doesn't seem to send anything about individual stocks, so perhaps this icon should not be placed with the others.
  • Stocks on the Pinksheets don't seem to be available.

Overall, I am impressed. The streamer is a welcome addition to SogoTrade's platform. I can't wait until options are offered. If the trades are not too expensive and execute well, I will likely move most of my trading to SogoTrade.


SogoTrade review last updated 12/06/08

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42 comments:

Anonymous said...

you can get streaming real time quotes if you edit which ones you want to see in the your 'watch' list

Anonymous said...

I was able to fax in all my documents. I funded my account in about five days.

d said...

It is good that you were able to fax all your documents. I should have tried that.

The account signature form states, however, "Note: Please print out and complete. Faxed copy is not accepted.)" http://www.sogotrade.com/Help/Forms.aspx

Anonymous said...

My major question for this trading site is whether or not trading triggers are available (trailing stop, bracket, one-cancels-all, etc.)? I would like the ability to buy during early trading hours and return to the computer later the same day. Does this trader allow you to do so?

d said...

Hey Anonymous,

Not as yet. Stops and stop limits are so far the only more advanced orders available. This will probably be available in the future. SogoTrade seems to be working pretty hard on making their platform better. Until recently good till cancel orders weren't available.

TradeKing has a pretty good assortment of advanced orders for stocks and options and may be more toward what you're looking for.

Anonymous said...

I first faxed my forms and they couldn't read some of them, so I asked them if I can email them and they've accepted it :D

the whole process (incl. scanning) took me 20mins :D

Anonymous said...

Thanks a bunch for the quick reply. This is a great blog and I'm going to recommend it to my pals!

Cheers!

d said...

Thanks for the kind words. =)

theoneinvestor said...

Hello "Slacker". Very good review on Sogotrade. I have been using them for about 2-3 months now. I still did not know they had a steaming quote window. I had been using my scottrade streamer side by side with Sogo. I will try the new streaming stuff soon. Of course I still dont like that absence of trailing stop orders.
Ok something new, I heard that scottrade is going to be rolling out "one cancels other" abilities soon. I just can't wait to see it happen, then I might switch back to using scottrade more!! thanks for the nice review.

Anonymous said...

to anyone who wants to open an acct with them....all this bs of good customer service is a lie. Their representatives and margin specialist are very arogent and unprofessional. I regret to open accout with them. I have had atleast 4-5 bad experiences with them in last 7-8 months.
Just today they covered my short position without my knowledge, and having ample money to cover that small short position I had.
This is third time that I got cheated by them, once they sold my position before the margin call was due. I chated with their online help person even before the margin call was initiated and asked how much money should I transfer to meet any potential call as the market was down that day. I initiated the transfer, in the night I got email about margin call and next morning they sold my position saying that they called me on my cellphone and they called me "lier" when I said that I don't have any missed call or your number in my cellphone and I can get my call record from my cell phone company and can verify that they didn't call...and, they froze my account.
I wanted to get legal help, but later I let go as it wd have taken lots of my precious time. But after this unauthorised and uninformed short covering, while I had about 2x cash in my acct than the short position, I am thinking again to complain to SEC about what they did.

Sogotrade Options said...

I didn't think SogoInvest would make it this far in such a competitive broker market.

They are improving every year, which is good. Although Zecco really took a ton of their customers when they launched a few years ago.

Nice review!

Short it to zero said...

To one of the above posters, a brokerage has the right to cover your short position without notifying you. If the share you are shorting (from someone else's account) gets sold, then your position is covered. It doesn't matter how much money you have in your account, whether it be 2X or 20000X the value of your short position.

Anonymous said...

Good Review.

I do not expect too many bells and whistles for what the price of the trades cost.

In this day of instant information and identity theft I personally did not mind all the confirmations that were needed. This is good and safe business practice. I faxed then mailed. It took a few days to get set up this way. This is pretty standard with other brokers I use.

Iḿ sorry they got rid of fractional trading, but no big deal.

Regarding options trading, itś always good to have more than one trading account.

I just signed up and have not used SoGoTrade yet to see how fast a transaction is completed. For my straight up vanilla stock trading style at approx. 1-5 trades per month I do not require day trader speed and do not expect it at these prices. There are better brokers for this and it makes sense to pay higher trade premiums for that kind of service.

Anonymous said...

I opened an account and its cool with emails.

Mr. G said...

i was able to fax them everything i needed to open an account. gotta love the $3 trades!

Alex said...

I've been with sogo a few months now and have been happy with them. The online chat feature is really helpful, just because I wouldn't call in for some simple questions when I can just chat. Pricing is the bottom line for me, I got in on the $1.50 trade plan and am super happy with it. Why would I pay 5-10x as much for the same thing?

Jonny Money said...

I plan on making as many as 4 or 5 trades (maybe even more as my account grows) a day so it seems like I could save a huge amount of money with SogoTrade. I'm a little concerned about no premarket or postmarket trades though... That's the thing I'm most concerned about. Do they have any plans of adding that?

Anonymous said...

Sloooow!! Web site and customer service crawl!! It took me 7 days to fund and trade.
Here is the breakdown after submitting an application -
1 Day - to approve application.
3 Days - to verify ACH Transfers.
2 Days - after emailing to "voided check" to verify ACH (after following up with customer service)
2 Days - to transfer fund from Bank to Sogotrade account.

Transferring money to third party accounts in foreign countries is much quicker.

Anonymous said...

Sogo is the BEST!!!! I have a zecco account, ameritrade account, e-trade account, and tradeking account. I've used them all. I've used sogotrade for 3 years now. They just keep getting better with time.
Customer service is wonderful, trades are executed better than td and e-trade. And cash is availeble to retrade right away. unlike td where they have a 3 day waiting period after buying and e-trade that puts holds on cash for trading after every trade. Trades always go through faster and at a better price than anyone out there. Because of this, I do my research and have my trading platform elsewhere (td is the best for research) and I do almost all my trading with Sogo. Now they have included otc, that's what I've been waiting for with them and they do limit and stop orders too. They are the BEST!!!!!!!!!

paa said...

it's one of the worse company,it has been more than three weeks.They didn't process my account. I am e.mailing them but their support center do not respong.

Anonymous said...

it's ono of the worse trading company which I have ever seen

vv said...

lots of annoyances and gouges like:

they charge $25.00 for a wire xfer. out but they don't do it until the next day so they can keep a day of interest. they charge $25.00 for a rejected ach xfer. in even though they don't have to do any processing or work to deserve it. ach xfer limit is $10k per day so for example $25k has to be done over 3 days with 3 seperate orders (10k , 10k and
$5k).

Anonymous said...

I was set up in less than a week. Trades go through very fast and once everything is set up it works like a charm. Even more awesome at $3 a trade!!

Please use my referral code or link and you can get 25 free trades:

364838
or
https://www.sogotrade.com/Setup/Default.aspx?rf=364838

Anonymous said...

Account limit: $500
Open a sogotrade account and get bonus

100 free trades promotion code: 349670

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DJ said...

Quick question for all existing SogoTrade members: once you sell an asset, how long does it take for the trade to settle i.e. the funds to get deposited in the account? I have a Zecco account, and it takes 2-3 days for sale proceeds to get deposited, which is very frustrating! (am assuming a non-margin account type)

Anonymous said...

their trade demo is hilarious... 10 shares of SIRI !!
and then pay $3 commish!!

then do limit sell of 5 shares!! for another $3 commish

wow who are their target market? 5 year olds?

bk said...

Took me almost two weeks to sign up for an account and they don't give you a list of tasks to complete so you need to talk to the online chat representatives to even get them.

Applied for an account on a saturday and they finally called to tell me it was approved on the following friday, but i had been using the website since wednesday.

The chat reps respond quickly and i have yet to wait in queue. i have been forced to talk to them three times now because somehow it takes forever to deposit money into the account online. Missed about 15% in gains over the last two weeks.

Rajesh said...

I could not get tothe live chat... i dont know.. it alwasy displays a message saying "You have logged in our system, please wait for the next available staff..."

Anonymous said...

you can daytrade on sogo, but finra regulations require you to have at least 25000 to excute more than 3 daytrades in 5 days. I really like sogotrade and have not had any problems (aside from daytrading, but that is not their fault).

https://www.sogotrade.com/Setup/Default.aspx?rf=382919

Mark said...

Can you do any pink sheets yet?

Terry Teo (Singapore) said...

Sogotrade is impressive and offer much better services compare with a lot of online brokers in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia & New Zealand.

Anonymous said...

I regret to put my money into SogoTrade. I open the account at SogoTrade because of low commission fee. I gradually realize why they have low commission fee.
1. customer service is very very slow and bad. you might wait being connected for 1 hour. After you get connected, they are very impatient and unprofessional.
2. the worst thing is that I found my money in Sogotrade has been stolen by the company little by little. When I ask them to explain, they said impatiently, do whatever you want, I can help you to close your account at Sogotrade.

chasterus said...

i've had nothing but frustration getting started with SogoTrade. 1) can't login; 2) phone wait time averages about ten minutes; 3) live chat doesn't work!; 4) already talked with two reps about the problem, they passed it on to a tech, and it's now been a week since i've heard from them.

love the fee schedule, but it looks like they just don't have their brokerage under very competent management. must pass.

Anonymous said...

I opened an account and funded it with a good chunk of money (ACH). They allowed me to place stock trades within a couple of days but required 7 business days for option trading. This is actually quite inconsistent since I can lose/gain money on any trading and if there wasn't money in my checking account and I lost on trading stock, they are out of luck in any case (since the ACH would bounce).

Then yesterday, after waiting for my option buying power (finally got it), I tried to do a trade, but their servers were down. This is in the middle of the morning (Wednesday). I tried the live help...no one answered. I then tried calling them 3 times on the 888 number. No one answered. Then I tried withdrawing my money. They declined this request...this time they answered the phone and told me that they have to wait 10 business days to do any withdrawal after a deposit. And then I was told it would take 5 more days to start the withdrawal after a request. What BS!!!

I honestly am getting a little scared of these Sogotrade characters. In addition to being incredibly rude on the phone, I'm worried I'll ever see my money again. If I don't get it back in a week, I'm contacting the SEC. I'd steer well clear of Sogotrade.

Anonymous said...

That was very helpful, thanks very much,,,,, all i needed to know and ask about,included in your great piece!
recommended it already to several of my friends

Well it took me almost same time ( 10 days ) ...and no they wouldn't accept the faxed copies! and required mailed ones

GLA

Mladen said...

But am I wrong, or the commission on the money received through dividends is 30%? THIRTY PERCENT!

Here's a snippet from my account history:
----------------------------------
Date Description Amount Commission Reg. Fee Confirm
09/30/2009 Dividends (PGJ) 0.27 0.00 0.00
09/30/2009 Dividends (PIO) 0.54 0.00 0.00
09/30/2009 DIVNRA -0.08 0.00 0.00
09/30/2009 DIVNRA -0.16 0.00 0.00
----------------------------------

Anonymous said...

I have been with Sogo since March 2009 (seven months) and am not happy. Their customer service reps look down their nose at you. Someone else said arrogant, and I agree! I called about a funds transfer back to my bank that was taking five days and was told that it was only for $500 so what's the big deal? I told them that if it were $1, it is still my money. I did have one good rep, but forgot his name.

They also don't have bracketed trades, which has cost me some (to me) real money.

They have an extra charge to trade .OB stocks.

They only allow limit sells on .OB stocks, which has also cost me.

They don't trade .PK at all. Nor can I trade .TO stocks.

The cheap price per trade keeps me around but if I find a broker that offers me what I want, I'll switch in a heartbeat.

My advice is to figure out just what you want your broker to offer and then find one that gives you what you want. The $$$ per trade is such a small percentage of a trade that the difference between $3 or $10 really doesn't matter. If you are only doing $100 trades then, of course, Sogo is the way to go -- you'll just have to eat the limitations and arrogance.

That's my two pence...

Anonymous said...

I've been using them for about a year now. I definitely recommend them. Sign up here https://www.sogotrade.com/Setup/Default.aspx?rf=358781

swierzycki said...

I've been using SogoTrade for over a year now and they have been great. The tools are somewhat limited but it has all the basics. It is they best broker that I have seen for finding shares to short. Sign up here and get 100 free trades.
https://www.sogotrade.com/Setup/Default.aspx?rf=358781

TraderJoe said...

To receive 30 free trades, use referral code 564838 when signing up for SogoTrade. The free trades are valid for 90 days after signing up.

John Locke said...

I have been using SogoTrade for 2 years now and have been very satisfied with their service. The trades are very cheap ($3 per trade), there aren't any hidden fees or tricks to take more money. No maintenance fees or any other fees. The trade ticker is real-time, and trades take place within 1 second, with the option to cancel until about 3 seconds after. I've called their support line about 8 times to ask information, and I always immediately got on the phone with an intelligent representative who knew the answers to my questions.

To receive 25 free trades, use referral code 564838 when signing up for SogoTrade. The free trades are valid for 90 days after signing up. A minimum of $500 needs to be deposited before you can begin trading. You can do free ACH transfers to and from your bank account.

SogoTrade is probably the cheapest online-trader there is, with a service that is on par or better than the three other companies I traded with before.

Anonymous said...

I realize that some of these are written from pure anger and there is often little to no truth when a low rating is given. But regardless, heed my warning!

Opened an account and I was new to trading. They made plenty of money off me and the price was fair. That is the reason I gave one star.

Had a transfer not go through and they shut down my ability to fund my account. They then told me after 90 days they would turn it back on but in the mean time I could cut them a check and mail it or transfer by wire. Did not want to do wire transfers for 3 months at a cost of $45 each from BOA. I mailed a check and it was mailed back to me. They would not take the check. I contacted them and they said it was a company check. Not true at all! No company check i know is that small in size with seashells on it and a home address. I then asked them if there were any other options and they will not return my emails or phone calls. It has been three days since. Horrible service and selective rules.

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