1/7/08

Review: Scottrade Individual Account

Regular Individual Account

Here's the good:


1. If your bid price is between the bid and ask, your order is executed with lightning speed. You confirm your limit order, go back to your account home page, and notice that it's already been completed.

2. You can buy OTC stocks

3. There's a large selection of mutual funds, bonds, CDs, and preferred stocks.

4. Depending on your starting capital, $7 a trade is not too bad.

5. They have a lot of physical locations, so you can always stop in to talk to somebody.

6. Check writing from your cash balance if you qualify.

7. Decent free research--there's a pretty good stock screener, and many stocks have either Reuters, S&P, or Second Opinion Weekly reports.

8. Real time stock quotes, and a streaming ticker (there's also a streaming Java chart), along with a Java based order entry window (for quick orders). It's very simple in design and easy to use--my favorite thing about Scottrade. Images are below.



9. Free account transfers.

10. Depositing money into your account is now same day. It used to take three days. This is a big improvement.

11. No account minimums or maintenance fees (but to open an account you need $500, $2000 for margin, and $25,000 for day trading).

12. Your order history is easily accessible. Just enter the ticker symbol and the date range, and everything is displayed for you (today's orders are displayed in history tomorrow--that is, there is a one day delay for your most recent transactions).

The not so good:

1. No automatic dividend reinvestment, and no fractional share buying (except for mutual funds). If you want to reinvest your stock dividends, you have to make a regular trade, and pay commissions.

2. If you want to take your money out and you don't have check writing whereby you can write yourself a check (only the first 50 checks are free), you have to request a check from Scottrade or a wire transfer. You can call or request the check online. This takes time, from Scottrade writing the check, to sending it, to you having to go to the bank to deposit it. (You can visit a branch and pick up a check, but depending on your location this may be a hassle). The wire transfer costs $20. In other words, there is no free electronic funds transfer to withdraw your money in the same way you deposit it.

3. If you want to buy certain foreign OTC securities, you have to do so through a broker over the phone or in person, which is more expensive. Also, see the bad below.

4. No multi-leg orders. For example, suppose you want to buy a stock and at the same time write a call on it, specifying a net debit. You can't do this with Scottrade. To do a covered call or protective put, you have to make two separate transactions. If you want to do an option spread, you have to make as many transactions as you have legs. As prices tend to wobble around, you might get a bad deal on one of your legs as you're placing orders separately.

5. No naked calls or (even cash secured) puts.

Scottrade does offer multi-leg orders and the ability to write naked options through its OptionsFirst platform, but you must apply for this separately. It is a new account with a separate login. For all intents, OptionsFirst is like another broker unaffiliated with Scottrade (they don't know anything about it at the physical locations).

6. Options are expensive at Scottrade: $7 a trade plus $1.25 per contract. Want to buy 10 contracts? That's $19.50 in commissions to buy, and another $19.50 to sell. There's also a $17 dollar assignment fee if your option expires in the money (most other brokers just charge the regular commission for buying and selling stock).

The bad:

Customer service is terrible.
Everything is designed so you would either come in to a physical location, or call someone at a physical location. If you don't like it or are too busy for the phone, and email is easier for you, good luck.

You may have to wait a week or more for a response. When it comes, it's something vague and does not answer the question. Or, someone leaves you a phone message, requesting you to call back. You call back, only to get that person's voice mail. One of the drawbacks to having a physical location is that when a customer comes in, the customer representative can't answer the phone--or, if he or she does answer the phone, the visiting customer is left unattended.

Customer service also does not seem to be very knowledgeable. When I inquired about whether I could do a multi-leg order, specifically a covered call or a "buy-write" (I wanted to know if I could buy a stock and sell a call on it at the same time), the person I spoke with had to put me on hold three times to go ask her manager because she did not know what a covered call was. In the end, she said, "why do you want to do it all in the same transaction? It's the same commission separately."

Yes, it is, but there are reasons why one would want to do two or more transactions simultaneously. Let's say I think a call is mispriced. Say stock XYZ is trading at $100 on January 15, and the 80 strike call, which expires on
January 16, is trading for 20.50. I want that $0.50. I want to buy the stock for $100, and have it called away from me for $80, while I keep the $20.50, for a profit of $0.50. Doing a buy-write (buying stock and selling a call simultaneously), in leg one I'd buy 100 shares of XYZ and in leg 2 I'd sell to open 1 January 80 strike call contract. Then I'd specify a net debit of $79.50. If my order is filled, $7,950 leaves my account, and I get 100 shares of XYZ and -1 call. Provided the stock stays above $80 a share through the next day, it will be called away, and $8,000 will be deposited in my account. If the $0.50 difference disappears while I'm placing my order, either because the call drops in value or there aren't any willing call buyers, my order expires, and I don't lose anything.

Now suppose I have to do two separate transactions. I buy the stock for $100, and then enter a new order to sell the call. During this time, the stock price will change, and so will the call. If the call now sells for $20, there's no point for me to sell it, and I'm stuck with the stock. It may also happen that no one wants to buy the call. Once again, I've already bought the stock, which I don't even want. Now I might have to sell the stock for lower than I bought it. The entire purpose of the transaction was to get the $0.50; I don't want the stock. If I have to do two separate transactions, things may not go my way, making it too risky to try without multi-leg orders. This is to say, with a multi-leg order I know exactly how much I'll pay if my order is filled, and if it's not filled, I lose nothing.

I tried to explain this to the customer service representative. After putting me on hold to go ask her manager, she once again said that I'd end up paying the same commission. I understand that options are confusing for many people, but someone working for a broker that offers options trading should be able to follow along.

I mentioned in a previous post that I used my last free trade to buy DuPont. My girlfriend did the same in her Scottrade account to buy the Jim Rogers RICI Agriculture Index. My free trade worked. Hers did not, leaving her account with a small negative cash balance. I immediately emailed customer support, notifying them of the error. Several days later, Scottrade sent an email about the negative balance, requesting a deposit and threatening to sell stock.

First, as this is not a margin account, the cash balance should never have been negative. If there was not enough money to complete the trade, it should not have been allowed. The trade was allowed because the $7 trading fee was not included, as it should not have been since it was a free trade. Second, Scottrade completely ignored the email. We replied, reiterating the error and requesting a $7 refund. When Scottrade got around to replying, they said that the free trade was unavailable that day, but was available on the following day, the $7 fee stood, and they again threatened to sell stock (and charging another $7, no doubt) if a deposit was not forthcoming.

Now, $7 is no big deal, but it's the principle of the matter. That trade wouldn't been made through Scottrade if we thought it wouldn't be free. We are firm believers in having broker commissions at under 2% of the trade, and usually go for under 1%.

The Bottom Line

If you're a regular trader with a lot of money, you'll no doubt like Scottrade. The trades are super fast, and stock order fees are relatively cheap. Bigger clients might get better customer service. I wouldn't know. I don't recommend Scottrade.

Free Trades

If you don't already have a Scottrade account you may be wondering about how to get free trades. Scottrade customers can refer others to Scottrade, and in return, Scottrade gives both the referrer and referee 3 free trades which expire after 6 months. I don't recommend Scottrade, but if you'd like to open an account and get 3 free trades, find my email link near the top right corner of this page. Send me an email with Scottrade in the subject line, and I'll be happy to refer you using your reply address.

Scottrade Elite

Scottrade Elite is a platform, which you download and install on your computer, available to all Scottrade Customers who have $25,000 in account equity or over. It comes with many neat features, including a backtester and streaming charts you can draw trendlines on. You can even view a streaming chart tick by tick. It's comparable to Fidelity's Active Trader Pro (which I like very much and have been using recently--a review will be posted in the next few months) and TD Ameritrade's Command Center 2.0 (review coming sometime this year).

Scottrade Elite is very customizable and intuitive to use. It has no faults that I have noticed. One bad thing is that you have to pay a monthly fee for Nasdaq Level II quotes.




This Scottrade Review was last updated on January, 13 2009.

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25 comments:

spreadsheet said...

I've been happy w/ my scottrade account for years. Wouldn't use it professionally but is decent for my pa. Screener is ok but here's a better, more comprehensive, alternative:
http://www.valueinvestingplanet.com/groups/valueinvestingplanet

MikeTheTeacher said...

Do you have a review of TradeKing?

D said...

Miketheteacher,

Yes I do. There's a link in the "previous posts" section.

I have to organize things so everything is easier to find. Probably over the weekend.

Anonymous said...

While the lack of electronic fund transfers can be frustrating, I drop off a check at my nearby branch and it's in my account by noon on the next business day.

Anonymous said...

Haven't had any problems with Scottrade here, but again I never call them.
They now have erased the 3-day waiting period for ACH in money, unless it's a stock under 4bux.
The only con as you mentioned is can't pull ACH.

Anonymous said...

I have been very happy with my scottrade acct. I call my local branch, never wait and have had excellent customer service from the crew. Now that the instant ACH deposit is available I can get a better yield on my cash while waiting to invest.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Scottrade has the worst customer service out of any company I've ever experienced, and I'm a sprint customer!

When I call my local branch, the answer is "Come into the branch during business hours and we can help you."

I love how for a time sensitive issue, they send an EMAIL on a Friday afternoon instead of calling.

Anonymous said...

I had the same issue with accruing a small negative money balance on my Scottrade IRA. I spoke with my local Scottrade branch manager and explained that I didn't think it was fair to penalize me with selling a stock at a loss and reward Scottrade with $7 commission for allowing the trade in the first place. Although I got a tirade for suggesting that Scottrade had done anything wrong, I was able to get the branch manager to agree to credit my account to resolve the negative balance. He told me to watch my account balance over the next week to look for the credit. So I dutifully watched my account every day for the promised credit. After two weeks passed and my account still had the same negative money balance, I called the branch again and spoke with another agent. The agent told me that the branch manager had said he would "look into the issue" instead of promising to credit the account. So instead of getting my account credited, I was informed that they were going to just wait for my stock dividends to pay off the negative balance. Overall, I am OK with that resolution, but I am disconcerted that the branch manager did not uphold his promise and did not even make an attempt to notify me of the change in plans. Moreover, claiming that he never made the promise in the first place does nothing to salvage his character. Overall, dealing with this branch manager was a waste of my time and patience. This experience has definitely deterred me from opening another account at Scottrade.

Anonymous said...

I would rate Scottrade No.1 after I expreinced with TD Ameritrade, E-Trade and Fidelity. I have now transferred all the money in my other accounts into Scottrade account.

Their customer service are MORE than excellent, I opened the account in Boston branch where the representatives there are so nice and professional, I can figure out that they CARE you. And they are able to answer all the questions professionally.

I have NEVER have any problem with Scottrade for more than 4 years. I love it and will stick to it!

I have strongly recommended Scottrade to some of my friends . Most of them have the same exprience as I do.

E-trade is the worst of all the online tradings. Fidelity is fine but the spending is too high.

Anonymous said...

I think scottrade is the worst place to trade. My market order took 7 minutes to complete and I took a loss of $500. You go for cheap trade and get hosed 100's of dollars. The other problem was with their trading system. I wrote a covered call on a stock but I sold this stock later without knowing I have calls written on it. Three days later, I was asked to cover this call, because I am naked on it now. But my question is why wasn't I flagged when I put an order to sell the stock. The system should not have allowed me to sell the stock in the first place. This cost me $3000 and they refused to admit it was a system problem and for any compensation. Now this problem has been fixed. I am thinking of moving my account somewhere else where people are professional and good customer service.

Kevin Canini said...

Use this code: SLHN6967 for 7 FREE TRADES when you sign up for Scottrade! Only 3 free trades after 10/31/2008.

andy said...

I signed up with scottrade.com and got 3 free trades with this promo code: HESJ1527

I think they require a $500 minimum to get the free trades. Still a great deal.

ss510 said...

i just had the same issue that the original poster had. I do NOT have a margin account but it let me go into a negative balance. Since it was only something like 4$ i just make a 10$ money direct deposit into my account. BUT THEY SHOULD NOT LET YOU GO NEGATIVE! yet i do realize that for it to be negative i is MY fault but still i would prefer a warning saying insufficient funds available.

Anonymous said...

I am new to scottrade and the stock market: I signed up with scottrade.com and got 3 free trades with this promo code:
RVNH7932

Me being new I have not had any problems yet. I think a lot of the problems are for the more serious trader.. If you are new like me read up on Stops and trailing stops..But I do need some free trades so please help a new guy out with the refferral code : RVNH7932 and it will also get you three free trades..Thanks

Anonymous said...

Get 2 free trades at scottrade.com when you use "XKAV0074" as referral code. $21 value.

Valid till 12/31/2010.

Anonymous said...

What are people (and award-givers cited on their ads) who like Scottrade comparing it to? I'm a heavy trader who uses more than one brokerage site at the same time on screen. I can tell you COMPARATIVELY Scottrade's best software is AWFUL -- they've cost me many, many times any commission savings. I was with them for years before realizing this. ALSO when I was able to get a buy trade accepted, it always was at or near my LIMIT price. Comparatively, I've been relatively amazed at the prices I get at two other brokers I use. I favor one because like only a few, you can trade the entire pre & post markets. AT Scottrade I've had to just sit and watch a stock price drop like a rock after a company reports -- for up to 15 LONG minutes, until Scottrade opens trading for the pre/postmarket. Right now my favorite is TD Ameritrade, though the price is among the highest of the "deep discount" brokers, I think. But, for the reasons mentioned, Scottrade is really the most expensive place I've traded, by far. (Interactive Brokers looks interesting, especially because of the price, but I haven't used them.)

Anonymous said...

MZQL1535

Use this code to get 3 free trades!!!

Just got this code 7/30/09

BTW, they have super fast execution speeds!!!

Admin said...

Working Referral Code - EKTF8370

Anonymous said...

scottrader elite is nice I found a platform on there that is simple and easy to use...now i want to buy a new comp/notebook on the lam but my account is currently less than $25,000 whereby when I downloaded it it was above $25k, so i am guessing i will not be able to download it on my new computer

Sam said...

I also signed up with scottrade.com and got 3 free trades the promo code: EKTT4393

MB said...

I hope you don't have the troubles with Scottrade that I have had. Their website has issues, everybody knows that, it's slow, it stops, it misses trades but that's not the worst of it. Their customer service is pretty bad. Rude people who are way too casual about a customer having a problem. They are way to relaxed about being of no help, they just couldn't care less. They can't do this and they can't do that and they lost the other thing.

I've been a customer of Scottrade for a few years now. They make several thousand dollars a year off of me. But whenever I have to deal with an actual person, it's a nightmare!

Anonymous said...

The Scottrade system will reject a trade if you do not have enough funds. The problem seems to occur when placing a trade while the markets are closed. This trade will execute the next day when trading begins. The system will allow the trade based on the closing price the day before. Would you rather the entire trade be rejected or would you rather get your execution and have to make a small deposit. Issues like this result in frustration no matter which way Scottrade was to handle it. I personally would be happy my trade was executed and gladly pay for what I just purchased. At least they don't charge you any fees or interest in these cases and work with you on resolving the issue.

Anonymous said...

2011 Referral code: VSKB9108

If you are looking at opening a trading account with Scottrade feel free to use my ref code to get 3 free trades for you (and 3 for me too).

Good luck trading!

Anonymous said...

You may use WQAB6991 as the referral code. Happy Trading!

Anonymous said...

New 2011 and 2012 Scottrade referral code: IXFV9382 will give you 3 free trades when you open any type of Scottrade account.

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